Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett Pass Away

Okay I've got to add my 2 cents to this discussion...

Violet wrote:Just because someone is religious it doesn't make them a better person. I'm sick of Christians and others thinking they're sooo superior to everyone else. I'm an atheist and i still have morals of what is right and wrong, probably the same views as most Christians.

I agree, Vi. I know there are atheists and people of different religious backgrounds with morals and who know the difference between right and wrong. I view religion as a personal issue and I don’t try and enforce my religious views upon anyone else but don’t mind voluntary discussion about it.

Guilty or not, child molestation charges are nothing to be taken lightly. The man was NOT a saint. Its disgusting to see everyone claim he is when 90% of these people were probably down his back a few years ago calling him a pedophile when the case was going to trial.

Its not like Jackson was a targeted celebrity. He wasn't known to be an asshole so i doubt someone would make up rumours for money. He was a very respected man at one time. He was always in massive debt so its not like they'd be making too much money out of him by making up things.

Sorry Vi but I totally disagree that he wasn't a targed celebrity and I agree with Summer. Yes, MJ wasn't a saint just like everyone else. MJ came across as a kind and compassionate person but he was human and had flaws like all of us. But that still doesn’t justify the amount of abuse he got. People don't care about people's good character when money's involved. The nicest of people can still be persecuted by others and those kind of evil people don't mind bringing others down for their own selfish needs.

MJ may have been in debt but he still had millions of dollars to spend and I know he paid at least one of his accusers, Jordan Chandler, millions of dollars ($22m I think was reported) back in the early 90’s. After MJ’s death, there are now reports that Jordan has apparently admitted that MJ did not sexually abuse him and that his dad forced him to say those things so they could get the money. Despite the fact that he was in a lot of debt, mainly over the past decade of his life, MJ was still in a position to pay those accusers millions of dollars so financial motivation could definitely be a reason why those kids and their families came forward. We don’t know for sure what went on and people have formed their own opinions and I personally believe MJ did not carry out such acts on children. Yes I agree, child molestation should not be taken lightly at all, the judicial system knows this and knew that MJ’s celebrity status shouldn’t have swayed their decision. At the end of it all, MJ was acquitted and it should be left as that.

I just feel for the kids. It was obvious as the sky is blue that he was not their biological father but now their birth mother doesn't want anything to do with them either. Its the kids who are truly suffering in all of this.

I really feel for his kids too. They've lost their father- whether he's biologically their father has little to do it with it since he was the one who raised these kids, obviously with the help of nannies there as well. There’s all this talk about a ‘bitter legal custody battle’ and I really hope it doesn’t end up like this for the kids' sake. Debbie Rowe is apparently said to have given up her parental rights and really hasn’t been in their lives much so despite the fact she’s the mother of 2 of the kids, I wonder whether she’ll really want to be a mother to them? So far it seems as if the kids are with their grandparents which is probably the best for now.

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Violet wrote:

Donna.S2 wrote:I love your Avvy Heather. That's a really good idea.

Yes, very much so a shock but they all die young I guess. Isn't it ironic that too much love can kill you? I mean the public loved him so much and he had so many fans that he was under all that stress. Even if it was the overdose that killed him, surely the stress contributed even a bit.

Just makes you realise that anyone can die at anytime. You really don't know. But his death has somehow brought the world together.

I'm going to be a complete ignorant idiot now but I've never heard of Farrah Fawcett. I mean no disrespect, I just personally had never heard of her. But that's probably because my head is under a rock somewhere.

In the 80's yes. Before he earned the name Wacko Jacko.

Michael's true fans never stopped loving him and I hope he knew that. It's just a shame that it is not always shown until someone dies.

I think nobody deserves to be called 'Wacko', especially in such a public way. He was obviously distressed for years over all the controversy, I don't know how he coped for so long.

Agreed.

I do believe Michael was treated incredibly badly by the media. Celebrities these days do get a lot of abuse pointed in their direction in particular from trashy tabloids but some of the things written about Michael due to his superstardom just took it to a next level. No one deserves that kind of treatment. And it’s not just stuff about the child abuse allegations, other things like getting unnecessarily invasive and nasty about his private life just isn’t justified. Yes there are some things Michael did which went against the norm but living in the spotlight can do these things to people- we’ve seen numerous celebrities self destruct in front of our eyes and it’s a sad reality. MJ never really got to have a childhood and you can tell that really affected him emotionally. He was such a talented guy but he still had many personal issues and ultimately, was very lonely

MJ has affected people in different ways. Everyone doesn't have to be a fan of him, I know there are people who don't think much about him or his music and that's fine, each to their own but I truly believe he has achieved so much that many can only dream of and he's brought a lot of happiness into the lives of people all over the world. I have so many childhood Michael Jackson memories since I practically grew up listening to him with my family. My dad was quite a big fan and even went to see him live at the London Wembley arena during the early 90's. Despite all the ups and downs, he will be missed by many. RIP MJ

poor bloke...its gonna be a while before i get over this.



but on a lighter note, i learnt how to moonwalk..go me!

YOU LEARNT HOW TO MOONWALK?!?!? teach me well, i know how to do it but whenever i do it i just end up walking backwards

Look, I've never been interested enough in Michael Jackson for any real input here, but any guy (no matter how complex his life is) that dangles a baby over a balcony is a t**t. Even with a tight and secure grip and only for a few seconds is still madness. Mind you, some may excuse him as he did cover the baby's head with a tea-towel so at least the little might could'nt see how far he could possibly have fallen to his death.!

I feel it for the masses. He was a great inspiration, songwriter, showman ect. I probably have a Jackson CD somewhere around. It's the masked kiddies he left behind I feel it for. They adored their very different father after all.

Serenity-helena wrote:Look, I've never been interested enough in Michael Jackson for any real input here, but any guy (no matter how complex his life is) that dangles a baby over a balcony is a t**t. Even with a tight and secure grip and only for a few seconds is still madness. Mind you, some may excuse him as he did cover the baby's head with a tea-towel so at least the little might could'nt see how far he could possibly have fallen to his death.!

I feel it for the masses. He was a great inspiration, songwriter, showman ect. I probably have a Jackson CD somewhere around. It's the masked kiddies he left behind I feel it for. They adored their very different father after all.

When you don't have a childhood and don't know what it's like to have a normal life; when you're surrounded by papparazzi wherever you go; when people are watching every move you make; when helicopters surround your house every day; when you have cameras in your face and people trying to catch photos of you everywhere you go; when people follow you into the toilet and put cameras under the door (i've heard him say that in an interview); when you are so famous that the audience is exhausted from screaming just by being there on a stage without even doing anything... i think you tend to go a bit crazy...

I don't know about you, but who knows what was going through his mind when he did that? Sure, dangling a baby is wrong, but I don't believe we are in the position to judge what he was going through. Anyone that famous is sure to go a bit insane. Who wouldn't wear a mask in public if it would protect his children's faces from being put on the news.

Personally, I feel for him. I don't think anybody on earth has a right to judge what he was going through as he probably was and is the most famous.

And just for the record, they're now saying that he really is their father and the interview saying he wasn't was a fake:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/831672/rowes-jackson-interview-fake-says-lawyer

^ I completely agree with and understand what you are saying Donna. I always thought he was so proud of his children and so happy to be a father, that he would never purposely put them in danger. I am sure it's all a very crazy and surreal and maybe even overwhelming moment to have fans screaming outside your hotel room.

Donna, if I can recall, he did explain that balcony incident in an interview. May have been on 20/20, not sure.

Despite all of his faults, I managed not to judge MJ too harshly when I was younger because, no pun intended, everything is not black and white: because of his shyness, lack of childhood, and well known abusive father. Speaking of, I was so appreciative of the few people at last night's BET awards who expressed sympathy toward Katherine, and not Joe (who was in attendance). His child died and he's out promoting a new record label. Unbelievable. But that's Joe Jackson for ya. Okay, that's my two cents. :/

I'm sure Joe Jackson must be feeling the loss in some sort of way. From what I know, people like that do not always show remorse. He probably doesn't even realize the pain he has caused. Michael and possibly his siblings must've been so scared. I have heard Janet and La Toya speak of similiar. I do feel sorry for Michael's mother, losing one of her children. I'm sure she suffered to, it must've been hard watching her children grow up scared of their father.

Donna.S2 wrote:
When you don't have a childhood and don't know what it's like to have a normal life; when you're surrounded by papparazzi wherever you go; when people are watching every move you make; when helicopters surround your house every day; when you have cameras in your face and people trying to catch photos of you everywhere you go; when people follow you into the toilet and put cameras under the door (i've heard him say that in an interview); when you are so famous that the audience is exhausted from screaming just by being there on a stage without even doing anything... i think you tend to go a bit crazy...

I think that MJ kinda brought it on though. His eccentricity brought on all the media attention. Bruce Springsteen was just as famous and talented, but he just lived his life as normal, went out and lived and never got hounded by the paparazzi, at least not at the levels that MJ did.

I think this interview touches on A LOT of what we've been discussing.



He seems so innocent, bless him.

There's a part 2 and 3 on youtube if anyone's interested, but I thought the first one was the most related to what we are talking about, mainly from the middle.

He also had "Peter Pan" complex... he wanted to around kids all the time so that he could have a "proper childhood'. They say the trial in 2005 is what wiped him out and he never recovered. Poor guy.

On a happier note, has anyone seen him live? Errr.... some of you guys were probably too young... or maybe not born yet.... but my brother went to the Bad tour in 1987, said it was the single most amazing thing he's ever seen, hands down.

That's the MJ I remember.

Chrissy wrote:He also had "Peter Pan" complex... he wanted to around kids all the time so that he could have a "proper childhood'. They say the trial in 2005 is what wiped him out and he never recovered. Poor guy.

On a happier note, has anyone seen him live? Errr.... some of you guys were probably too young... or maybe not born yet.... but my brother went to the Bad tour in 1987, said it was the single most amazing thing he's ever seen, hands down.

That's the MJ I remember.

I bought his DVD today!! I know it's not the same as the real thing, but yeah. I haven't seen it yet though.

Growing up in the public eye hardly means that you'll have a troubled adulthood. Look at Jodie Foster, she's been famous for many years, she rose to prominence in '76 in Taxi Driver, yet she is a well-rounded person. As is Drew Barrymore, who did have a troubles growing up, but is now extremely well-rounded.
These rumours didn't eventuate for no reason, I must say.

Chrissy wrote:He also had "Peter Pan" complex... he wanted to around kids all the time so that he could have a "proper childhood'. They say the trial in 2005 is what wiped him out and he never recovered. Poor guy.

On a happier note, has anyone seen him live? Errr.... some of you guys were probably too young... or maybe not born yet.... but my brother went to the Bad tour in 1987, said it was the single most amazing thing he's ever seen, hands down.

That's the MJ I remember.

J. M Barrie had that....and he wrote peter pan...pretty sure he was accused of indecency aswell...some people honestly